Most people know that when they’re charged with a crime they are entitled to representation by an attorney to provide a defense. What they don’t always realize is that part of a strong defense to charges is an investigation on the defense’s behalf. The interviews that law enforcement conduct to piece together the details of a crime only serve their purposes: to find someone to charge and convict. Their process doesn’t always guarantee the right person will be the one convicted, only that someone will be convicted.
When interviewing potential witnesses for a criminal case, I dig deeper than the police to get to the true facts of the situation. Often the facts are not the same as what the police present as what happened.
In discovery, your defense attorney gets copies of all the work that was done by law enforcement. My job as investigator is to review the evidence. The first place I start is with witness interviews. So often law enforcement personnel tend to get what is commonly known as “tunnel vision,” where the only focus is finding someone to charge with the crime. This lack of investigation can affect a case greatly.
To prove this point, I will give two interview scenarios for a fictional shooting in a nightclub parking lot. The first is how police interviews at the scene might likely go and the second, my follow-up interviews with the same two witnesses.
When a crime happens, police try to get to the scene quickly to lock down the crime scene, detain witnesses and obtain statements.
Witness #1 Interview
Police: Did you see who shot the victim?
Witness #1: No
Police: Ok, thank you.
The police then move on to the next interview.
Witness #2 Interview
Police: Did you see who shot the victim?
Witness #2: Yes. It was the guy you have in the backseat of your patrol car.
Police: What did you see?
Witness #2: I heard a lot of commotion and yelling then I heard, “Pop, pop, pop.” I looked over and people were yelling and running around. There was the victim on the ground and the guy you have in your car standing over him. Then the guy just ran away.
Summary of police investigation:
Witness #1, saw nothing
Witness #2, witnessed crime
My witness interviews occur at a later time, after the client has hired both a criminal defense attorney (or had a public defender appointed to him) and myself.
An important note to remember, even if you have a public defender, the State has funds allocated for a defense investigation. You should always demand that your defense attorney have an investigation done on your behalf.
Witness #1 Interview
Bill Beam: Did you see who shot the victim?
Witness #1: No.
Bill Beam: How long were you at the club?
Witness #1: About an hour to an hour and a half.
Bill Beam: Did you see anything out of the ordinary while inside the club?
Witness #1: Not really. There was a small fight that broke out over some girl. Two guys were pushing each other and the bouncer broke it up then the party went on.
Bill Beam: Would you remember either of the two guys who were fighting if I showed you pictures?
Witness #1: Yes. [Shown pictures of client/accused] No, I don’t remember seeing him. [Shown pictures of the victim] Yes, that was one of the guys in the fight.
Bill Beam: Did you see the victim outside after the club closed and the shooting happened?
Witness #1: No, I heard shots and ducked down. That was it.
As you can see, the witness does know more about the crime than he thought he did; he just wasn’t asked the right questions by the police.
Witness #2 Interview
Bill Beam: Did you see who shot the victim?
Witness #2: Yes. It was the guy they arrested.
Bill Beam: Was it this guy? [Shows picture of our client]
Witness #2: Yes.
Bill Beam: Tell me what you saw.
Witness #2: I was outside in the parking lot, the club was closed and people were just hanging out. I heard some people fighting, then some yelling and then I heard the gun shots.
Bill Beam: When you heard the gunshots what did you do?
Witness #2: I dove behind a car. I didn’t want to get shot.
Bill Beam: Then what did you do after the shots stopped?
Witness #2: I stood up and looked over to where the shots came from. I saw the victim on the ground and your client standing over him.
Bill Beam: What then?
Witness #2: Your client stood over him for a few seconds then took off.
Bill Beam: Did you see anything in his hands?
Witness #2: Yes, I think he had a gun.
Bill Beam: What kind of gun?
Witness #2: I don’t know, it was dark out.
Bill Beam: How do you know it was a gun?
Witness #2: Well the shots were just fired and your client was standing over the guy. The guy had been shot and he had something in his hand then he ran.
Bill Beam: What if I told you our client had a cell phone in his hand and was thinking about calling the police but didn’t want to get involved and ran?
Witness #2: I suppose it’s possible if you say so, but he ran and later on the police caught him and arrested him.
Bill Beam: So are you saying he had a gun or a cell phone in his hand?
Witness #2: I’m not sure. I just couldn’t tell what was in his hand.
Bill Beam: Did you see the shooting?
Witness #2: Yes.
Bill Beam: You did?
Witness #2: Yes. I heard the shots, looked over and your client and the victim were the only ones around. Of course he shot him.
Bill Beam: I thought you ducked behind a car?
Witness #2: I did but only for a few seconds.
Bill Beam: Two to three seconds or five to six seconds…?
Witness #2: I’m not sure. Shots were fired, I waited for seconds after then looked up.
Bill Beam: Before you heard the shots, you said you heard commotion. Would you know who was yelling?
Witness #2: No, it was too crowded and a little dark. I didn’t pay attention. Stuff like that happens a lot at clubs.
Bill Beam: So, you heard a fight and didn’t see who was fighting. Then you heard a shot, ducked down, got up and the crowd had cleared and there was only my client and the victim around.
Witness #2: Yes.
Bill Beam: But you didn’t see any weapons fired or anyone holding a weapon, did you?
Witness #2: No.
Witness #2 actually knows less about the crime than he thought, but what he’s already told the police could be damaging to our client.
Summary of my interviews:
Witness #1 was able to identify the victim as one of the men fighting but unable to identify our client at all.
Witness #2 was certain our client was the shooter because he saw him standing over the victim with a gun in his hand. When the question of a cell phone in our client’s hand was introduced, Witness #2 could not say for sure if our client was holding a gun or a cell phone and admitted he never saw any weapon fired or anyone holding a weapon.
In this fictional case our client was on house arrest and violating his probation by being at the club. He saw the shooting, went up to the victim and wanted to call for help but decided against it because he didn’t want the police to know he was violating probation. Not wanting to go to jail for probation violation, he ran off. Witnesses identified him as a person who had run away from the scene. As a result, he was picked up a few blocks away and brought back to the crime scene and arrested for probation violation, NOT the shooting.
These errors in fact are common occurrence at crime scenes. Witnesses, though not maliciously, put “puzzle pieces” together that don’t always mean what they think it meant. The police look at witness statements as fact and think, “Well, I’ve got a witness who told me he saw this guy shoot that guy so I have an eyewitness to the crime.” Once they have that, it’s not the police’s job to tear down their own eyewitness so the questions stop there. A good defense investigator will do exactly that, though, and get to the facts of what the witness saw, not what he thinks happened.
As a former police training officer, I taught trainees how to conduct witness interviews and while one would hope anyone investigating a crime would want to get to the true facts of the case but that just isn’t always the way it goes. For the police, often having enough evidence to close the case is enough and for many defendants, who may have prior criminal charges, taking a plea deal in a case they weren’t involved in is much easier than risking the lengthy prison term if convicted in a trial. I am and have always been concerned with obtaining the facts of a case. When I conduct witness interviews I am not looking only for statements that paint a glowing picture of my client, I want the truth. It is not my job to take this evidence and prove to a jury that my client is innocent, that is for his attorney, but my expertise in this area leads me to interviewing the right people and asking the right questions.